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CopyRant Part 2

Arkiver's Reflections

For Part One, click here.

So, picking up the thread on copyright, from my last CopyRant, I thought it would be again helpful to look at how copyright first started. In a lot of ways, how the system began has defined a lot of the issues and problems, and continues to do so today. Copyright as a legal concept has existed since approximately 1557 but what about before that, and how did it come about?

Towards Copyright
Prior to the creation of copyright, the promotion and dissemination of “the arts,” was generally provided by a system of patronage. In that system, the arts relied on the sufferance of the governing political regime, or at least the continued support of the various patrons. Outside of that, the arts also survived on a grass-roots, folk level. But in general, there was not a robust economy around the spread of creativity.

The first copyright was enacted via a royal charter of incorporation to the Stationer’s Guild of London, in 1557. What I found most interesting about this is that the very first incarnation of copyright really paid no attention whatsoever to the originator of a work, but granted sole rights to the publisher. This is an issue that seems to crop up again and again in the world of intellectual property.

Read more after the break...

The Stationer’s Guild was granted “a monopoly on book production, ensured that once a member had asserted ownership of a text (or "copy") no other member would publish it.”, by the terms of the charter. This is the first time that a legal framework was created to control how ideas could flow, at least via a “fixed form” representation. The monopoly granted to the Stationer’s Guild was also considered perpetual. Authors were themselves excluded from membership in the guild.

The next step on the journey of copyright was the Statute of Anne, widely considered the first “real” copyright law. The SoA switched the responsible owner of a copyright to the author. It also established a 21 year term for existing works, with a 14 year term for any works published after its enactment.

Early Issues
Under the earlier system of patronage, the arts, the products of creativity, were dependent on the goodwill and favor of the patrons. Art that challenged the status quo, or poked fun at entrenched authorities, was left without a good chance of survival under this system. It also under-represented the majority of the population, who were left with the grass-roots level for the spread of an alternative cultural context. Most of that grass-roots was oral, rather than recorded, and this does represent a significant loss of the creativity of that period then. Some of the earliest books are attempts to capture that oral culture, such as Grimm’s Fairy Tales.

So, obviously one of the issues that copyright was meant to solve was to create a real marketplace for ideas, at least in the form of those “fixed representations.” And that did in turn start with those with the most to gain from creating those representations, the printers themselves. But this in turn created other problems.

Vesting sole rights in a publisher put them in the same controlling position that the earlier patrons had held. A publisher could stop publishing a work, causing it to be effectively lost. The creators of the works themselves were left out of this system as well. As an attempt to overhaul that earlier system, the Statute of Anne is actually quite a good compromise. It more properly moved ownership of the rights to the end result of creativity to the authors, while ensuring that the time frames involved were limited to a reasonable period.

The earlier system under the Stationer’s Guild did a see a large increase in “illegal” publishing, in competition with the legitimate monopoly. From Wikipedia again: “To be sure, enforcement of the rules was always a challenge, in this area as in other aspects of the Tudor/Stuart regime; and plays and other works were sometimes printed surreptitiously and illegally (as often happens under regimes with strong censorship controls).”

Personally I think this is actually quite similar to the situation we now see with the internet and the larger rights’ holders. One could argue that because of their distribution power, that these entertainment corporation now represent a much larger version of the Stationer’s Guild, and although their copyrights are not officially perpetual, they have been extended dramatically over recent years. With their control over the official publishing and exchange of creative works, they’ve also created a marketplace for the illegal exchange of these products, as evidenced by the success of peer-to-peer file-sharing.

So, even in these early days, a lot of the issues around copyright had already appeared. The one thing not really taken into account here is the way that the ideas of the past act as “raw material” for the ideas of the future. The Stationer’s Guild charter didn’t include this as a concept at all, and the Statute of Anne really just avoided the issue by including a limited time frame. But it was only a matter of time before arguments were made to extend that timeframe.

That’s all for today… any glaring assumptions or holes? Questions? I used Wikipedia a bit to confirm stuff I’d already read, and here again is my “copyright reading list.”

peace,

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Jaydingo's picture

Synch "Blueprints"

Thanks for the descriptions Baker. I do understand the depth and detail of each synch type you described. I've been lucky enough to witness each one you pointed out and with the websites available not to mention information on the Arkive itself all of these different blueprints are a textbook of sorts for aspiring syncher's. Thanks again.

No prob jd.

No prob jd.
Now... try to create one yourself (!)
bb.

No prob jd. I'd prefer that

No prob jd. I'd prefer that all manipulated synchronicities come equipped w/ a recipe book but then I'm not King o' the World. To study is ultimately to re-create, like the score of a composition, me thinks.
Peace and art, baker.

looney runes's picture

what say you?

the subject of copyright is so interesting and relevant to synching that one would expect to see it amongst the arkives forum topics as a permanent fixture. nearly everyday it seems ther e is interesting news to report on this topic. on that note, in the spirit of strengthening the community and bearing in mind that growth requires change, it seems that permanent thread topics such as film/review, music/review, scene reports (seen a good show lately?), and general off-topic banter could encourage sharing, cooperation and quite possibly spawn the sort of creativity that could further this medium we share and even lend to it's credibility as a legitmate, recognised artform. I suppose what i'm saying is that every respected art community is based on that...community. with no concrete, agreed upon method for grading synchs, no one outside the community reviewing synchs or regarding them as original works independent from the music/movies that comprise them and synching so obviously still in it's infancy, perhaps it's time to move past merely sharing/collecting recipes and inject more aspects of culture into the community (the arkive being, in my mind, THE place for the synch community to evolve). any thoughts? I would love to learn more about and get to know other synch enthusiasts. the conversations that i've had with some of you have been amazing, thought provoking and often inspirational. like minds...etc. why limit such experiences to podcasts and private messages? the current state of the arkive doesn't really seem to promote community. I certainly enjoy the arkive and check in daily, I would simply like to see and learn more about you all and synchronicity in general...any thoughts?

don't shoot-i am a man

1 additional thought:

1 additional thought:

I think the Podcast episodes are promoting community in a very important way. They are at least getting older members involved in the community again... people who have left the fold, or either have never really been a part of the fold, like Stegokitty.

For the 1st time in years I'm think'n about trying other people's synchronicities and creating some more myself. I don't know how far I'll get into this but the desire is present. However, I think the burden of growth has shifted to the newer people such as you, Looney Runes. And Lonewolf and Jaydingo and El Giron and Leighton and the rest. Basically I can just add fwiw posts such as the one above.

I'm most likely viewed as something of a dinosaur in all this.

Peace,
Bakersaur

Jaydingo's picture

Bakersaurus-REX

I for one will always hope for & champion a strong sense of community on the Synch Ark. I've enjoyed seeing the synch vets returning & I definately take their input & insight to heart. As for burden of growth, I agree with Baker. Luckily, there does seem to be a lingering presence of older & newer synch enthusists at the moment who are shining a large degree of excitement on the Arkive. I hope Baker B does intend on staying around & contributing like he has in the past. Truly great art will find a way to survive & draw people to the well. The burden of growth may not be a burden at all but growth will definately be nessessary certainly! For as much as I've admired its content & architecture...Shared Fantasia simply can not be the end all be all for synchcratic creativity.

Right jd.

Right jd.

The burden has shifted and you need to push beyond SF if possible. But you have to understand SF first, me thinks, and how us older dudes reached that point even. Just don't copy the structure of SF for a group project... make something better and even more lasting, individually and collectively.

And create web sites!

b-rex.

Jaydingo's picture

SF intricacys

I agree Baker, I thought with the topic of change, that was understood. Thats why I listed appreciating the "architecture" of SF & not just its dazzling content. Besides the SF files themselves & the Shared Fantasia site...what other points of understanding do I need & can you direct me to them? From what I've seen & read, I thought I had a fairly good grasp on how such a project came into fruition but of coarse...if there are any underlining elements to SF I may have missed, please feel free to share them.

looney runes's picture

is shared fantasia shared?

is there a viewable version of shared fantasia online, or a torrent? my synchs have mostly been created/discovered as an response to a previous synchs I have watched. I began working on my own fantasia synch merely because I kept hearing sf mentioned and I love the animation work in the film. the stumbling block for me is all of the speaking parts in between the animation. i'm curious to see how this was handled in sf. I chose to begin with the last segment of the film and work towards the beginning and I will soon enough reach some narrative sections of the film. don't shoot-i am a man

My Podcast interview, while

My Podcast interview, while perhaps being a bit vague still, talked about a personal but also general desire to move from album oriented synchronicities to movie oriented synchronicities. In earlier days the trend was to cover 1 movie with 1 album by simply setting the album on repeat. This is still the most commonly known version of Dark Side of the Rainbow... setting Dark Side of the Moon on repeat to completely fill The Wizard of Oz movie. In this second wave of synching I also talked about in the Podcast, there was a perhaps slow but quite steady leading away from this simplification, which then culminated, in a general way at least, in Shared Fantasia. Shared Fantasia is a quite complex way, in contrast, to cover an entire movie with various audio tiles or cued regions.

Stegokitty has also brought up the idea of multi-artist synchronicities, and Shared Fantasia is an example of this on a collective level. Darkest City is another example. A number of synchers moved along this continuum, some surpassing even the works I speak of here. Other synchers, notably Dave Bytor, seemed to almost create his own continuum, but I still think there is a relation to what I'm talking about here.

My guess, and I could certainly be wrong about this, is that any newer development in audivisual synchronicty would have to absorb this main "continuum" and the lessons learned in order to go beyond it or even equal it. I'm speaking strickly about audiovisual synchronicity here, as beginning in one cue affairs such as DSotR and 2001-Echoes and moving into more complexity.

This again ties into the web site I'm currently developing that I also mention in the Podcast, but I'll leave that information for later unless you want more from that to help clarify.

I see this as a continuum, then, but also different levels. The continuum starts on one level, what I call level 1 synching in other places, and ends at level 2, which would involve, at its root, a number of artists used to "tile" an entire movie.

Is this enough or, getting all this, do you desire more?

baker-rex.

I've just read Dave's

I've just read Dave's Podcast, and would like to add here, Jaydingo and the rest, that I enjoyed Shared Fantasia but I certainly think it can be topped. Everyone that participated seemed to put their best foot forward, but there are strengths and weaknesses to it, and I've only watched it through myself as a whole one time, admittedly. Just wanted to add that you can build on the past and also surpass it. Think of Beethoven going beyond Mozart and Hayden, and then Wagner building on Beethoven's 9th but then also moving ahead. And so on and so on.

baker.

arkiver's picture

ideas?

Looney,

I'm definitely open to more ideas on how to promote community... some of the limitations though are imposed by the code I'm using to run the Arkive. A lot of the really community stuff would probably require coding, compatible coding, which isn't something I have had a lot of time for honestly. There are some aspects of the site currently though that no one is taking advantage of, including the ability to submit content to the Arkive. But in order to keep that "spam free", right now I'm kind of the filter for that, so it's dependent on me "approving."

But if folks are interested, maybe I need to start talking more about what can be done in the Arkive's present form, along with start looking for more of the community oriented stuff. Again, I'm open to ideas there... and if folks have ideas for how to organize this stuff better, I'm all for hearing those. Honestly the Arkive's current incarnation suffers a little from the erratic way that I've updated it to the current code-base. I wasn't entirely ready to go with Drupal but when it's installed, it kind of takes over (which is good on the one hand, because it prevents hacks a lot better than my original coding, but bad, because it broke a lot of the old Arkive and I wasn't quite ready to move to Drupal yet).

phew... but in answer to your thoughts, I like the ideas... I'm just not quite sure where to take them next. Suggest away, by all means...

peace,
--mj
arkiver

looney runes's picture

ideas

I have really just been enjoying the recent activity here on the arkive and it seems to be in my nature to always look for ways of improving things. Of course, I am speaking strictly from the viewpoint of someone with no skills in the areas of web design, coding, etc. I have never had a task such as overseeing the arkive, which I'm sure is an overwhelming one at times. I certainly appreciate this little corner of the web, and I hope that others will lend their opinions as to what direction they see the synch community going, how we can build a stronger sense of community amongst those involved and what additions/changes/features, if any, they would like to see down the line. Perhaps the arkive should be left as is. Maybe straying too far from the topic at hand would only serve to divert focus from synching. There is certainly much to consider before implementing change in any community . It seems, to me anyway, that the topic 'where do we go from here?' is always a good one to revisit.

don't shoot-i am a man

ideas etc.

Nice thoughts as usual looney runes.

My advice, fwiw, is to forge independent bonds with fellow synchers. There's nothing like a friend to cover your back, because really it's all about bonding and then trying out synchs from the people you bond with and respect the most.

In that vein, I would personally like any revision of the Synchronicity database to easily screen according to creator. Usually, or at least often, if you find a creator has made one good synchronicity and deemed it synch-worthy (attached the name "synchronicity" to it), then he's got a good eye and other finds of his or hers may also appeal to you and others.

Also, create an independent web site and then link to other web sites that artists have created regarding their finds. This goes along with the bonding bit. A web ring devoted to synchronicity sites would be a great idea, if it can be pulled off. Arkiver, are you listening?
Smiling

Let's see, I had one or two more points. About the rating of synchs, it's a nice idea but I'm not sure it will work in practice. For those who have hard-to-set-up synchs, it may work against them because there's a greater chance that raters will not have run the synchronicity properly and thus the review may not really be about the synchronicity itself, as the "artist" intended it to be viewed (this has happened to me). There could be problems along these lines when different versions of the same movie are involved, to add another.

I guess it comes down, again, to fixed products (tape/DVD/digital file) vs. home recipes, and the people who put out fixed products will naturally have higher ratings overall because you are actually watching what they intend you to watch every viewing, if that makes sense.

Stegokitty has some good points about focusing on shorter synchronicities such as 2001-Echoes. I would add that you can also chain shorter synchronicities together to make a longer synchroncitiy, and this might cut down on viewing errors.

I would disagree with Stegokitty, it seems, on synchers rating their own material, which I've found quite handy in the past. There are some of my own finds which I would only recommend to fans of the album and/or movie involved, and there are others that might have broader appeal and I would give a higher rating to. But when I did such things, I always started with DSotR and gave it an A or A+ (can't remember now), and then I would also not consider a "match" a synchronicity unless it was at least a "B minus" in my eyes. A "C" is what I'd call a common run of the mill synchronicity and a weaker fit for the tag. But, then again, I'm sure many viewers of DSotR would rate it a "C" or worse, perhaps yourself included, Looney Runes.

Which is totally ok, of course.

But, to round out my point hopefully, I find it handy to know what synchronicities any syncher thinks is their best, and also why. And also the stuff that doesn't work as well but they still deem worthy of attaching the label "synchronicity" to. Often those are very informative as well.

This is very important: use of multiple artists in synchronicities might cut down on the fan-only appeal, but that usually implies, again, a fixed product. Not necessarily in my eyes, though... but that's the way we usually think about 'em. In this category would be the recently reemphasized Shared Fanatasia and also Darkest City.

Use of multiple artists leads away from Pink Floyd dominated synchronicities and decenters the field away from this group, which I, like you apparently, feel is a good thing.

But I would also add that the whole community and the involved web sites -- no exceptions -- are still based around Dark Side of the Rainbow despite the progression within the community. It's the one that is known outside, and that's not likely to change anytime soon, given the restrictions we have on promoting newer products. And also -- and partly for that reason -- I feel Dark Side of the Rainbow is treated unkindly at times here. She's kind of "whored" out almost, but that may not be the correct phrase I'm looking for. She's abused in some way at any rate (yeah, I always think of DSotR as a "she" for some reason).

So, really, I guess I would still favor the synchers themselves rating their own synchs over other people judging them, at least at this point. After all, who knows their synchroncities better than the artists who created them?

If we establish Dark Side of the Rainbow as an "A" and also 2001-Echoes as an "A", then everyone would have a kind of base grade to work from. If you think a work of yours is quite superior to DSotR, you could give it an A++ or A+++++, I suppose. Of course, those who give all of their works such marks are obviously not playing the game according to the rules.

And, really, how can you grade highly manipulated synchs in the same manner as singling manipulated synchs? The grading would have to be divided in some way along these lines.

That's another lesson I've learned and am still learning: could be because of all the males involved but synching is very territorial in nature. That's another reason to make at least one solid friend within the community. And it's such a small community that one bad rating, from whomever, can taint a particular work. And one good rating can do the opposite.

Guess that's all. Just some lunch-time ramblings.

baker.

"If we establish Dark Side

"If we establish Dark Side of the Rainbow as an "A" and also 2001-Echoes as an "A", then everyone would have a kind of base grade to work from. If you think a work of yours is quite superior to DSotR, you could give it an A++ or A+++++, I suppose. Of course, those who give all of their works such marks are obviously not playing the game according to the rules."

I would just like to add some brief stuff here on my excerpted comment. In a former version of my personal synchs site I experimented with rating my own finds. I removed them later for various reasons. I actually judged *down* for manipulation. In this rating system the only find that truly went above and beyond Dark Side of the Rainbow, in my eyes, was SID's 1st Oz, and that's the one where I also started to back away from the field. I think I gave DSotR an A+ and SID's 1st Oz an A++. But I could see A+++ and A++++ happening, of courese.

A disclaimer would obviously have to be inserted about the subjectivity of the ratings in this manner, if this rating is left up to the creator himself/herself. But this is just to give an example from my own work.

The lowest rating for my own stuff is one called Psychogumma, which I gave, I believe, a B or B minus. I gave Tronesis lower ratings as well, and this would be a good example of a purely fan appeal synchronicity (fans of the complex prog album Lamb Lies Down On Broadway may still find some value and worth in it).

But others who have viewed works of mine have been very erratic about what they find appealing and what they don't find as appealing. And this would include sections of even one particular work. A lot of it has to do with what movies appeal to anyone, and also what music (of course).

Also, there's a whole 'nother subject that could be devoted to synchronicity "studies", stuff that works in parts and not other parts but often is called a synchronicity anyway by many. A synchronicity cannot, in my eyes, have a really long stretch of non-synching material. But there's value in promoting such "studies" as well. An example, again, from my own experiments would be a match between Dark Side of the Moon I found and Alice in Wonderland (animation). It was good in places but not enough to raise it to synch level in my eyes. Another study would be the combining of 2 videos -- Wizard of Oz and Gone With the Wind -- in a certain way. There was one really powerful match, but not enough before or after to legitimize it as a true "synch" to me.

Studies have a role in our field as well.

But that's just my own take, using examples from my own material, again. Others will obviously see things differently. Again, that's totally ok.

Later,
baker.

arkiver's picture

some thoughts...

Some of the thoughts I had on this kind of thing, some inspired by talking with others here were...

  • Creating a synch review board, volunteer-based. Probably want a decent # of people in such a thing, but only require say 3 positive reviews, to get into a kind of "middle tier" in the database, something between the general submissions and the Featured section. I'd even given some thought to switching the Featured to some kind of "Gold level" or something like that.

  • Having another contest with some type of "free to remix" material. The biggest problem there is in truly knowing whether something is free to remix, especially in the video space. Gets back to copyright law, and is a huge damper.

  • Soliciting more active contributions to the Arkive from the community, whether hosting others doing a podcast episode or a blog posting, or anything like that really.

Also, in the newer version of Drupal, there are a couple features I'm interested in for the Arkive too... like:
  • Security on forums - which would allow creating "private" forums, perhaps even for trading (non-commercially of course) synch material.

  • Image uploading, file uploading, again for trusted users only probably.

  • Rich text editing, for both message forums, and comments.

That's what I've got off the top of my head... and I'm continuing to work on the podcasts. I should have another episode up soon, and have another just beginning prep. I'm also starting to experiment a little with some tools that would let me do something more real-time, so there wouldn't be as much lag in getting an episode online.

Anything in that mix jump out at you as something interesting?

peace,
--mj
arkiver

looney runes's picture

well...

I think the first thing that anyone visiting the arkive would look to is the faq page. As it starts off with a thread about Alice/Wall and is way down in the middle of the navigation panel, I would tend to think it rather confusing. Perhaps a link outlining the arkives purpose/intent, placed at the top of the page, would be a good place to begin changes.

Next, perhaps a welcome thread. An open invitation for synchers, new and old, to introduce themselves...perhaps what synchs they have discovered, which ones they have watched/favorites, what they look for in a synch, what inspires them to try new synchs, their personal synch site, etc, etc. as well as any personal stuff they wish to share. I would imagine future shared projects would certainly be easier to pursue if more of us knew one another.

Rules. A clearly defined set of rules/posting ettiquette could be helpful, but who knows? I am merely basing these suggestions on what seems to be working for other online forums/communities.

It seems to me that grading synchs is dependent on many variables (frequency of lyrical/visual matches, general mood, full film/short/partial film). That said, to just establish DSotM or JaBTI as a baseline seems a bit unrealistic...sort of like saying 'citizen kane' (or whatever movie) is the pinnacle of film-making, so let's just compare everything to that. Not everyone has seen dark side. If agreeing that DSoTM is the be-all, end-all of synching and that if you haven't seen it or agree that it is a grade a synch means that you will not fit in with the community or your synchs won't stand a chance compared to them then we should just make that clear up front. Perhaps establishing categories/genres would make evaluation easier. I am still at a loss when it comes to this "grading" area of synching. I have recently posted open invitations to receive free copies of synchs and only had a couple of takers. This leads me to believe that possibly there aren't too many actual synch 'enthusiasts' frequenting the arkive? Maybe this community is much smaller than I am perceiving it to be. Right now there are 127 guests online...but what does that really mean?

I really like the ideas presented in this reply, and I am encouraged by the fact that there are conversations going on between the arkiver and others of you. I hope that my inent is clear and that any changes I have suggested have been taken as constructive critisism and in the interest of bettering the arkive.

On that note, it seems that I have become to sleepy to type any more, so I bid you goodnight...LR

don't shoot-i am a man

I'm going to try to keep

I'm going to try to keep this short and sweet, and I apologize again for perhaps interrupting a dialog here or putting comments in the wrong place. I really have no idea where I am, actually, in the discussion forums right now, since I just clicked on one of the most recently created posts and saw that I wished to craft a reply of some sort, just to add information here and contribute. But pleace tell me if I'm commenting in the wrong place.

In reading this again, I'm only going to comment on a few specific items. In general I like all of the other things brought up, even if I'm can't exactly picture some of the setups in my mind.

Re DSotR as the be-all end-all synchronicity: I do not agree with this assessment at all. I personally think it is one of the best one cue synchronicities, and is an excellent example of such that others obviously get, at times (thus the popularity), and seems to work pretty well at least through the first playthrough of Dark Side of the Moon within. It's consistent in my eyes, and also to others. Not everyone, but a goodly amount now down through the years.

At any rate, nothing has come forward, for whatever reasons, to take the title of the new "Dark Side of the Rainbow", although many claimed to have found such finds. They just haven't been able to convince a goodly number of others.

When I say that audiovisual synchronicity is built around Dark Side of the Rainbow, I mean that all the web sites, including the Synchronicity Arkive and Definitive List, established their relative popularity because of the popularity of Dark Side of the Rainbow in the late 90s. Simple as that. The field has developed true, as I was just talking about with JayDingo, but it hasn't been publically recognized in any real way I can tell.

If, for example, you google "Being Geddy Lee" or "Darkest City" or "SID's 1st Oz", or "Show Truman The Wall" or "Jesus Who?" or "Contact + Echoes", most of what you'll receive are hits from pages that evolved on few web sites, with the majority of the creators of these web site already having been a subject of one of the five (or six) Podcasts so far.

If you disagree that DSotR is a great find, then, *certainly* you should not be ostracized. That would be ridiculous. If you read and/or listen to the Podcasts so far, you'll see that Karl and I love Dark Side of the Rainbow, Mike reacted more indifferently to it, and also Dave I believe. Can't remember Stegokitty's initial reaction.

Yet I would also ask you to explore any feelings you have for any reaction toward or away from Dark Side of the Rainbow carefully.

In speaking of my own ratings, they were set up a number of years ago when fewer synchronicities were around. I discarded the "a plus to b minus" system a while back, then.

I, too, am not sure what the answer is in terms of ratings. I would say that the artist is the most important part of any synchronicity, and on The Film/Album Synchronicity Board the emphasis was on the synchers themselves and the board represented a kind of confederation of working, active synchers. I do miss that aspect.

I'd also say that the community is weak now, and it was never that strong (ie, large).

Ok, shutting up.

baker.

arkiver's picture

good thoughts...

All good ideas, and some I've even played with a bit in my head. The reason they're not here is again, when I installed Drupal, it "took over" and I hadn't had a chance to move over some of that more introductory material. Unfortunately, I keep getting caught up with other things, and haven't had time to revisit that revision. Maybe the right terminology is that I haven't had that time/motivation intersection where it got done. When I have motivation, I don't have time... and vice versa.

I'd admit the Arkive's layout leaves a lot to be desired. I'm now toying with the idea of setting up a "fresh" copy of the Arkive, to straighten all of that out "offline," and then move that over to the live site. That process probably won't be over night though... unless I win the Lottery or something. Sticking out tongue

peace,
--mj
arkiver

test

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Arkiver, I've tried about 4

Arkiver, I've tried about 4 times to post comments on this thread to no avail. It's getting frustrating. Any way we can fix this problem?
baker.

arkiver's picture

multi-post!! ;-)

Baker,

Not quite sure why, but your comments were coming into the whole spam filtering thing. I've approved them all... I can "thin them out" to just one of each, if you'd prefer... Eye-wink

I try to keep up on that... but I'm only one person, and the whole day job gets in the way of me always being on. Laughing out loud

peace,
--mj
arkiver

Mike you've got to be there

Mike you've got to be there 24/7 to control this. No excuses
Smiling

Actually I just edited all the comments down to a "." besides the original one. All were duplicates except that one and the ones I complained in.

Maybe since the post was so long...???

dunno,
Thanks anyways,
baker.

arkiver's picture

cleaned up...

Just to keep things nice and pretty, removed the "." posts. Eye-wink

Lots o' good ideas so far in this thread...

peace,
--mj
arkiver

looney runes's picture

posts

I have come to the conclusion, from the many lost posts that I spent time on and watched them vanish, that it is best to type out my thoughts in notepad, save them, post them and wait a day. Generally, they will show up within 12 hours time. If not, I have them saved to my pc for re-posting. Posting again in an hours time almost certainly leads to double posts.

don't shoot-i am a man

looney runes's picture

however...

What i can't figure out is why my inbox often tells me that I have new messages when I really do not...

don't shoot-i am a man

arkiver's picture

erroneous messages...

Looney,

I can tell you what the "extra" messages in the inbox is from. If I delete a user, who has sent you a private message, that message is still in the back-end system, but the private message feature only displays messages for valid users.

The reason I delete users is that someone who was banned continues trying to show up under different aliases, and having decided I won't tolerate spamming/trolling behavior, when I become aware of this, I reinforce the ban.

If I ever saw any indication that said person was not going to return to those behaviors, then perhaps I would not be so aggressive at deleting a user that looks to be him. However, having made that decision to be the "benevolent dictator", I will not allow a return of that behavior. If anyone feels they've been deleted erroneously, they're free to contact me (arkiver@xnet.com).

peace,

Arkiver, I've tried about 4

Arkiver, I've tried about 4 times to post comments on this thread to no avail. It's getting frustrating. Any way we can fix this problem?
baker.

Er... sorry.

It seems some of 'em showed up after a couple of minutes.

Guess I'll just have to be patient next time.

baker.

looney runes's picture

thanks

thanks for this bit of history! I noticed apost today on boing!boing! reporting a major victory for copyright when the tenth circuit court ruled in favor of Larry Lessig.

don't shoot-i am a man

arkiver's picture

another bias...

I have to admit, a small bit of bias towards what Lessig has to say on copyright. He's a smart guy (obviously), and I think he has a really grounded stance on copyright.

Of course, there are plenty in the official intellectual property industries who consider him to be just about evil incarnate. But then, I don't know whether or not they've actually read what he has to say.

I can't recommend his books highly enough. Most are available free online even, so you can always check them out first. I know for sure Free Culture is... and I thought there was a wiki out there for Code. He put out a Code 2.0... which I was debating buying (although I already have the original).

peace,

arkiver's picture

collecting links

Here's another one, from Cory Doctorow, where he explains DRM (Digital Rights Management, i.e. copy protection).
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2007/sep/04/lightspeed

I also found 2 books I'm thinking of picking up from Amazon...
Wired Shut: Copyright and the Shape of Digital Culture by Tarleton Gillespie

Steal This Music: How Intellectual Property Law Affects Musical Creativity by Joanna Demers

Amazon lets you look inside on Steal This Music, and it had some bits from early copyright days a la this posting actually.

OK, I did actually order Wired Shut already... I'll probably have to add Steal This Music next.

peace,
--mj
arkiver

Thanks for writing all this

Thanks for writing all this out. I'll read the text very soon and contemplate some questioning along the lines I was doing before.

Peace and art and all that,
baker.

(ps, I'm channeling the energies generated in the Podcasts myself -- reading & participating -- into creating a related Booker/baker interview, w/me interviewing him in this case. Lots of mid-night fun, and I'm planning a return link to your Sync Ark Podcast module in the text, in return.)

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