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Ruminations on the future of synching...

Arkiver's Reflections

One of the big topics that's been brought up, in the Arkiving Synchronicity podcasts, is the future of synchronicity. Which kind of got me thinking a bit, and then reminded me of something that was part of the plot in William Gibon's 2003 novel Pattern Recognition. The plot element I'm thinking of is called simply "the footage" in the novel. Apologies if you haven't read it, but the basics of "the footage" are that it consists of short segments of video posted "anonymously" to the web. Those short segments are entirely created from other images, and seem to, at least by a certain definition, fit the idea of manipulated and derivative art. When I read the book, back in 2004 or so, at the time I recall being reminded a bit of synching, and even the synching community. In the book, there's a community of enthusiasts that have sprung up around "the footage", that post theories and ideas about the origins, intent, etc.  


It did, at times, seem to me that that was almost a "warped mirror" version of a kind of synching future. I guess I could see synching take that path, as well as others. Maybe we'll end up splintering out across the net, each carrying that "jewel" of an idea that started it all. Maybe the original idea will be lost too, much like no one really knows who started the Dark Side of the Rainbow. But what was interesting to me was the idea of "the footage" being created from a feed of images. After all, to a certain extent film itself really is animation. At least in the sense of being static images that create the illusion of motion and life. I could envision the internet's "remix" culture taking advantage of that at some point, maybe even from within the synching community, to create something new from the detritus of image and sound material now available. And that is, at core, the idea behind "the footage".

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Maybe there's even already attempts to do that. I have to admit, I haven't actually looked yet to see if someone has tried to "externalize" the idea into something created. Since the book has been out for a number of years, it's certainly possible. But I do think the idea, as an exercise, holds some validity for considering synching's future.

Like our current situation, copyright does put up some barriers against that. But the net has shown a remarkable ability to route around those types of barriers in the past. Although individual "authors" may get taken down, the ideas they put forth tend to survive, especially if they have a certain amount of artistic validity of their own. Danger Mouse's Grey Album (the mashup of the Beatles' White Album with Jay Z's Black Album) immediately springs to mind.

I think, at a certain point, Western culture is going to have to give up some of the myths we've built around authorship, the idea of an author alone with his muse for one. And art like this, which I think is only going to grow as more people join the internet culture, does seem to make manifest one of my favorite ideas from eastern philosophy/religion. That idea is usually portrayed as a riddle... "who is the buddha who makes the grass green?" The answer of course being you. Your brain interprets the signals from your eyes and creates a picture in your head which we call green. But there really is no way of knowing whether your picture of green looks like my picture of green. Maybe if I could peek in your head, your green would look blue to me. And ultimately, all of the thoughts and concepts that we use as humans are the same. We react to the shadows in our minds as if they were the real objects, but those shadows are filled with, and created by, our own preconceptions, thoughts, opinions, hopes and dreams.

Here's a quote from Robert Heinlein, from one of my many quote notebooks, that I think captures this idea...


    "Man lives in a world of ideas. Any phenomenon is so complex that he cannot possibly grasp the whole of it. He abstracts certain characteristics of a given phenomenon as an idea, then represents that idea as a symbol, be it a word or a mathematical sign. Human reaction is almost entirely reaction to symbols, and only neglibly to phenomena. As a matter of fact... it can be demonstrated that the human mind can think only in terms of symbols. When we think, we let symbols operate on other symbols in certain, set fashions -- rules of logic, or rules of mathematics. If the symbols have been abstracted so that they are structurally similar to the phenomena they stand for, and if the symbol operations are similar in structure and order to the operations of the phenomena in the real world, we think sanely. If our logic-mathematics, or our word-symbols, have been poorly chosen, we think not-sanely."

There was always another great line in William Gibson's first book, Neuromancer (which posited the idea of cyberspace, and also defined a lot of what the internet would become), that the street has its own uses for things, and that those uses are often lightyears away from what the creators or inventors might have intended. I see that idea manifested every day on the internet. In the culture of remixing and creating and "user driven content" (to use a marketing buzzword, effectively meaningless but still represents something real happening). In the way that people build things (Make magazine/blog/etc.), create things, share things (p2p file sharing). And although it's probably not certain, I just can't comprehend how that genie could be stuffed back into the bottle.

Which brings me back again to synching. There's an awful lot of material out there. More and more every day. Like Baker and others have said, I think we do, as a community, need to move beyond simple one-cue movie/music matches. Really get those creative juices going. Move away from just using Pink Floyd, or the Matrix, or any one of the number of things that have been used before. Break away from just using whole movies as the yardstick of the art. Personally, I like the idea of shorter bits, since they do fit well the "attention deficit" culture.

I think we're stumbling towards a very interesting future... what do you think?

peace,

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Amagon's picture

I love that line

Arkiver said "I think the community has fallen into patterns again, and this posting was just some ramblings to try and get started on a conversation about pushing forward"...

There is a saying that there is nothing new under the sun, how true is that. I would say us humans are like crops and events in time are the shifting of those crops. We shift as the world events shift, governments, money religion, education. There are those who crate a shift by burning an old crop and then start a new one. We are shifting every 50 years. The ones who do the shifting and burn the old to remake it new again are in the government, money, religion, education, all working together at the top to burn us and then make us new again. This was talked about in the movie Being there and at the end the Egyptian right is performed on the dead mason going into the all seeing eye.

Amagon's picture

Dark Age for the Arts

My feelings on the Future of Synching haves to be that Movie editors, directors and Music bands will have to revive this art but we are entering a sort of Dark Age for the Arts all around right now. For almost 15 years, the shift has been to economic and scientific educations and the creative mind has been put into the artsy fartsy bin yet again, this is usually the sad mark of a nation or world view in free fall. As opposed to the 60s, 70, and 80s where the artistic mind had its place now we are seeing what our grandfathers fought and died for come to a sad and slow end in betrayal, what we are left with is this utilitarian uninspired world view and is stagnating free expression, a kind of slap in the face to true capitalism and a high five to feudal Lords who now use corporations to own everything.

My fascination with Synching started with me studying esoteric arts and the mystery schools at age 15. I come from a school of thought with Synchronicity, wither it’s in life or in albums and movies, that it’s more than just a coincidental nature. Some movies and Albums have an energy that binds to one another and I believe that messages, symbolisms and waking dreams are the key to unlocking this powerful art form. For me the Synchs I experience open the visuals and the music up to another level of understanding bringing the orderly with the abstract together in a harmonious creative view.

At the heart of all this are ideas or trains of thought by the artists that are being expressed from two deferent spheres of influences. The Albums and the Movies are these spheres created for expressing ideas that may merge or coincide together. Like with Medieval paintings with hidden messages or musings of there artists that have the power to challenge people in power and express deferent or apposing world views than what is considered the collective norm.
The debate on this phenomenon is like the debate on the divinely intelligent Universe, that things have a pattern to them even evolution. To those who view life as a purely scientific happening with a utilitarian world view that we die and nothing is left but rotting meat then even a hobby like Synching Albums to Movies are just brain recognition patterns. Unfortunately organized Religions are not spiritual schools that teach about philosophy anymore or a way to live life by example and are more and more just a political tool. This is why they fail to articulate peoples mistrust with the other extreme the atheist non magical world view, they seem to feed one another to collapse.

The Future holds a middle path were logical with wonder can exist as one whole, that is why I think we are looking searching for ideas that have feelings and hidden symbolisms, because deep down we know most of us that something important to humankind is being concealed in the modern age and we are looking for those things in deferent places. We are on all of us a spirit quest, just some decide not to see the messages that are there all along or the messages others try to tell us.

See no evil, hear no evil, and say no evil, and then you become a cold robot as good as dead.

"...even a hobby like

"...even a hobby like Synching Albums to Movies are just brain recognition patterns." -Amagon on synching being more than it seems.

Yep, that is me. Just brain patterns. Well it seems that you and many other here are attempting to think outside the box. Don't sell society short. We are always progressing and always getting better. look at yourself for example.

"I have dozens of friends and the fun never ends...."

from Styx "Too Much Time on My Hands"

baker b.'s picture

Hi all.Just looking at this

Hi all.

Just looking at this and thought it might amuse some here.
baker b.

Amagon's picture

just my way

you make good talking points. You will just have to bare with me on my musings on higher meanings it's just my way.

See no evil, hear no evil, and say no evil, and then you become a cold robot as good as dead.

baker b.'s picture

Nice message

How did you choose the name Amagon? It strikes me as unusual.

Does it have something to do with Amagon, Arkansas?

Like the avatar too.

baker b.

"The footage" that makes up

"The footage" that makes up the core concept of Gibson's "Pattern Recognition" reminded me of alternate reality games, and then in looking this up in the wikipedia see that Gibson's novel is mentioned therein.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pattern_Recognition_(novel)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_reality_game

ARG is a fascinating and deep future aiming subject for certain. I can see your points here!

But more in response to Karl's message above, I'll always find the non-conscious matches in a/v synching more interesting than conscious craftings, such as we have with the Grinch synch mentioned therein, as an example of the latter. And I think that's the attraction to, for example, DSotR for others as well in general, if one acknowledges that the origin of that one is also unconscious. The overall fascination seems to not be for any particular artistic creator as much as the *lack* of one. Even the synchronicity manipulators such as Stegokitty work from these cued regions in the main. Take the cues away and I'm not sure if you're really and truly talking about "synchronciity". You can have synchronicity inspired works of art and then synchronicity art works, then. And although it would certainly be handy at times to separate the two, this doesn't mean that, necessarily one is better than the other, even, although I prefer to work within the limits of what "synchronicity" can highlight, as I said.

One more quote and response from the Arkiver's ruminations here.

"Personally, I like the idea of shorter bits, since they do fit well the "attention deficit" culture."

I think as it becomes easier to download whole movies online that we'll move more away from the shorter synchs that presently dominate YouTube. I've stumbled upon a couple of these already, albeit in a number of pieces (Jesus Who? is one prominent ex.). I don't think it is as much a matter of attention deficiency as much as just the limits of present web technology. Once the computer monitor and tv screen become more merged in terms of what's being viewed, then I think we'll have a better picture of what the future of synchronicity holds for us via fixed artistic expressions.

As usual, I'm certainly open to being wrong about my opinions.

bb.

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conscious v. unconscious...

"But more in response to Karl's message above, I'll always find the non-conscious matches in a/v synching more interesting than conscious craftings, such as we have with the Grinch synch mentioned therein, as an example of the latter. And I think that's the attraction to, for example, DSotR for others as well in general, if one acknowledges that the origin of that one is also unconscious."

But are they really non-conscious? Without someone's consciousness coming upon them, and organizing them somehow, they're like that tree in the woods. There's always awareness in there somewhere, mucking with things, whether it's as a viewer or creator. But I guess I was coming from the position that in order for synching to move forward, beyond just the standard "set up this cd, set up this DVD, hit unpause at both", or even multiple cueings of that type of thing, you really need that awareness to "kick it up a notch" and start engaging on the front end of the creative process. I think we've already seen some of that, with manipulated synchs, where bits and pieces are shaved here and there to make things "match up" better.

I do have to say you probably nailed it with the idea of "is this still synchronicity" then... and I don't know that I have a good answer to that, if things moved along the path I "ruminated on". But then again, that was more a rumination on one potential line that the community could take, not intended to be anywhere near exhaustive. And I do think you could maintain some elements of synchronicity in the idea of "found art," of the "a-ha" moments of that finding and recombining, even if the combining itself was not totally randomized.

Just some ramblings...

peace,
--mj
arkiver

.....Futurama

I suppose Pink Floyd intended "The Dark Side of Oz" or some avant gaurd musician un-intentionally discovered "The Dark Side of Oz". From either cause, the rumor spread.

Then synching "The Dark Side of Oz" made the rounds with Pink Floyd Fan groups.

Now our synching community grew and took over the "Dark Side of Oz" realm. We here in the synching community are keepers of the flame now. When I mentioned the "Dark Side of Oz" on a Floyd Fan message board back in 2002, I was told to bring my discussion to some other forum.

In the future, we could evolve into or be absorbed by a Mixed Media MySpace group who actively create music movie matches on the internet. They would write and perform music to movies too like Rich does now for "The Grinch who Stole Christmas".

In my pursuit of happiness, I decided to take a break and just be happy as I am now. I like things here as they are now for today is my far future. Some of us here were born before there were 50 states in the USA. I like the easily repeatable one cue synchs. I suppose the rest of you will evolve and take me with you. Caveman Karl would be your living fossil on My Space.

"I have dozens of friends and the fun never ends...."

from Styx "Too Much Time on My Hands"

I wrote a reply to this

I wrote a reply to this about 2 weeks ago but it never made it through the filter.Sad

Oil well.
baker.

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filtering...

baker,

filter shouldn't catch you any more as you are now TRUSTED...
but there ain't anything in the filter at the moment...
so I'd guess this one was well and truly LOST... Sad

peace,
--mj
arkiver

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lila dinosaurs...

I wouldn't call you a dinosaur, fossil, or caveman, Karl...

but there's an interesting idea in Robert Pirsig's Lila, about how societies and communities exist in a kind of tension between static "how it's always been done" forms, and more dynamic elements. Too much static, and things stagnant. Too much dynamic, and things fall apart from just having nothing to hold them together. One generation's push forward becomes the holding back of the generation to come, kind of. I found it an interesting concept, and one I'd invoke in reply to you. As much as things that came before have been interesting, I sometimes think the synching community needs a more dynamic push into "the unknown," into something that challenges what it is to be a synchronicity. Otherwise, there's just the same old debates, the same old "watch my synch" posts.

That was, to a certain extent, what seemed to me to separate the 1st and 2nd waves, that Baker and I talked about in his podcast ep. That the 2nd wave didn't fall completely into those patterns, but proceeded to build new patterns. I think the community has fallen into patterns again, and this posting was just some ramblings to try and get started on a conversation about pushing forward...

peace,
--mj
arkiver

btw, Robert Pirsig is best known for Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintanence, which is an awesome book, but I think I might actually like Lila better myself...

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